Join Date Aug 2013 Posts 139 Character Mazo Bazo World Leviathan Main Class Gladiator Lv 50 If it takes 3 CS2's to finish the item, I will do steady hand -> ingenuity -> great strides. Purging a page clears the cache and forces the most current revision to appear. <3. Starting with "A Realm Reborn" and the expansions include "Heavensward", "Stormblood", and "Shadowbringers"! Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. I can see crafted gear being the go to while waiting on new Allagan/Soldiery armor until caps are raised or a new CT branch is added. 2.1 Ingenuity II eliminates the touch step penalty and gives a 15% BONUS to synthesis steps. I'm sorry, but will you please explain what does Innovation do? To sum it up, any quality/progress gains under the context of ingenuity will be GREATLY ENHANCED if the relative recipe level is high. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. On a side note, Ingenuity actually lowers your progress if you use it on low level recipes when your level is 50. See if I care! tells the macro to pause for X seconds with this line in a macro /ac "Delicate Synthesis" the macro will pause for 3 sec. Ryu's victory quote in SF3. My guess is that you went from 15% to 50%. Tricks of the Trade pairs very well with the level 50 ALC ability, Comfort Zone, allowing a massive CP gain. e.g. If you are 5 levels below the recipe, your touch steps were penalized by 25% and your synthesis steps were penalized by 50%. Thatâs a bargain. I use my hands to warm concealers, blend foundation, or mix two lip shades. I query the order of your skills, I might be missing something? I took the liberty of making an initial swipe at updating for patch 5.1. however that said. I don't know how you guys do it over in the west, over here we use Ingenuity twice when crafting 2 stars. Shouldn't that be 25% not 15% ? This is when Innovation should be used for quick/charged HQ synths. BTW, im master crafter and only use Hasty touches till 15%, then SHII, Ingenuity II, then Byregot's. Because of the Ingenuity buff you will see upwards of 2-3x the amount of Progress you'd see with a single un-buffed Careful Synthesis. I did not know you were on Reddit, sir. I'm just curious, is there any kind of bonus for logging out in an inn bed as opposed to anywhere else the rested bonus applies? Do you prefer a proc based rotation or a strict rotation? As nouns the difference between ingenuity and innovation is that ingenuity is the ability to solve difficult problems, often in original, clever, and inventive ways while innovation is . And is SH 1 enough for 100% guaranteed success on Byregot's? Because dummy, ingenuity beats innovation in nearly every way! - Prove of principle that Method (4) works fine. (Sun IGN: Kelly), since i already paid for the pc version of this game. This effect beats innovation every time, but it also stacks with innovation. They wanted to give us some sort of challenge for i90 items it seems! Method (2) requires Muscle Memory, Rapid Syn & Ingenuity II. Patch 5.1. Don't believe me? My FC and Friend Safari Pokemon! Innovation Great strides Ingenuity 2 Byregots blessing ... FFXIV stormblood patch 4.4 HQ rotation for new 4star 70 durability battle Gear/food and infusions - Duration: 7:31. You are absolutely correct in doing this! Innovation is a really easy-to-understand boost. Press J to jump to the feed. Hi! I'm only speculating, but i'm guessing Ingenuity will lower it by 10 levels and ingenuity II by 20. ingenuity Yea ingenuity is better than innovation, but thats because innovation is a pretty bad skill, Byregot's is still much better than anything else for no RNG crafting. FFXIV: 60 Day Time Card: - Only $29.99! Any nuances that I have not touched on? It really is the bees knees. I'm assuming it can only be used after Still got the leves challenge log to do as well as rank 2-5 Hunting Log. Now execute the following macro (102 CP): Assuming you didn't land on condition:poor, you are now the proud owner of an HQ item! Ingenuity lowers the recipe level by a certain amount. FFXIV Complete Edition, PC - Only $29.99! the new traits which boost basic and rapid synth. Isnt better Ingenuity II? When commenting on my macros, people have often wondered why I am using Ingenuity in places they would expect to see Innovation. Innovation: waste of CP, it will only improve the final quality by 250 to 400 (suppose 8 inner stacks), you should use this 18cp to replace a Hasty Touch with Basic Touch earlier. usually INT is for magic dps as they need attack while MND is for healers as they need it for better healing but in ffxiv unlike a lot of mmo's the healers here also have the ability to dps so the MND stat gives some of both because of that. One could argue that this stat (let's call it relative recipe level) is just as important as your craftsmanship/control stats, and for items with a very high relative recipe level (think i70, or i90 in this new patch), it is probably the most important factor. At least for progress. I have 334 control, 325 craftsmanship and 341 cp without food. Can't start first ixali quest, "unable to commence synthesis? Tricks of the Trade (Culinarian) Ability. Set in Hydaelyn, adventurers of all creeds will converge in Eorzea, a realm of diverse climates and landscapes, peopled by races as varied as its city-states. It will be fun trying to HQ i90 with weaker Ingenuity. Arrange the following conditions in an 80-durability synthesis (easiest starting with NQ materials and using hasty touch) with an i55 or i70 (food) item: Enough durability for an additional touch (preferably byregot's blessing) and to finish the craft. I haven't done any extensive testing, though, that's just my experience from blazing like three crafters to 80 through leves since the patch. Very relevant now that i90 crafted gear & the new glamour system are available. If you made me pick between a single cross-class skill for doing i55 and i70 items, my choice would be Ingenuity. ie. After Monk, which DPS should get the next big rework? Point well taken! - Alternatively, Method (4) is also great for BSM, which allows Innovation to be kept because it does not need Rapid Syn. Yea ingenuity is better than innovation, but thats because innovation is a pretty bad skill, Byregot's is still much better than anything else for no RNG crafting. A community for fans of Square Enix's popular MMORPG "Final Fantasy XIV Online", also known as FFXIV or FF14. However, in the notes, it said that this will actually amount to either an equivalent or enhanced bonus for i55 and i70 items! Menu. But if you take away my ingenuity, I will be a shell of a crafter. Hello :3 I have some crafts at lvl 50, and now im thinking to level blacksmith and carpenter for the skill Ingenuity II and Byregot's Blessing. 2.1 Ingenuity eliminates these penalties. It has a cast of seconds, a recast of seconds. I then melded as much control as I could on my accessories and ended up with 319, so I put 5 control+3 materia on equipment for each set to get to 334, then I put whatever random craftsmanship I could on my accessories, though with ING and ING2 it isn't required to be all that high. © 2021 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. nope, this is ffxiv lol. Once in the beginning for 1 craft and 3 mid touches, and once in end for 1 mid touch, 1 byregot and 1 craft. Now try replacing Ingenuity with Innovation. and let the animation of the action to ⦠I don't know. Have you read the last few paragraphs of his post? If your PC is meeting the above-mentioned requirements and you are still a victim of the pesky FFXIV lag, then the question arises: how to fix FFXIV lag? So what are your experiences with ingenuity? And yes, SH 1 will turn Byregot's from 90% success to 100%. Steady Hand Ingenuity 2 Great Strides check for excellent or red ball here, if there is one, skip next Innovation Byregot's Blessing. It is tied heavily to the Armory System, being the function of Disciples of the Hand, and can be used to craft weapons, armor and tools, and many other products. For melds, I made every set of gear and melded as much CP as I could on my accessories which put me at 338, so I put 3 on my feet of every set. Arrange the following conditions in an 80-durability synthesis (easiest starting with NQ materials and using hasty touch) with an i55 or i70 (food) item: 15% current quality rating Enough durability for an additional touch (preferably byregot's blessing) and to finish the craft 8+ stacks of inner quiet. If you DO NOT reach the CP thresholds yet (you will soon, at 63) downgrade to Hasty Touch 1 and/or Remove Innovation. Now I'm going to have to take notes on crafting again. of a "Byregot phase" with a Standard Touch & the Byregot buffed by Ingenuity II & Innovation. Privacy PolicyCookie SettingsDo Not Sell My InformationReport Ad. You guys think it's possible to hit 50 tonight on my 38 WHM? Otherwise it doesn't seem like there's any point in having that whole bed cinematic. I'll be less inclined to cash out on ToT and struggle to re-apply Steady Hand. For those of you saying, Bonzai, you picked a fine time to talk about Ingenuity, it is changing in the patch! Letâs start with the basics, there are 6 important numbers/bars when crafting something, 4 of which you see during a craft, 2 of which you donât (but thatâs ok). because it gives me an extra step in the rotation with Ing + GS up. Launched in May 2014. I also will refresh Comfort Zone on a harder craft. Go on, take away byregot's blessing! 4. I'm thinking to level 1rst the BSM to 50 and then CRP to 50, but maybe is better level BSM to 15 and CRP to 50? The only other things I can think of are adding in innovations or ingenuity's earlier on in rotation.It's godly in 4-star crafts, less so in 3-star crafts. My 100% 1 and 2star macros have either Ingenuity or Ingenuity 2. Here are the system specifications recommended for a smooth playing experience with FINAL FANTASY XIV for Windows®. Warning: if you haven't hit level 20 there are possible spoilers in this guide. At least for progress. If it takes 3 CS2's to finish the item, I will do steady hand -> ingenuity -> great strides. Cookies help us deliver our Services. I only proposed that short macro for the purpose of testing. Since you're able to meld materia to it & all that jazz. What is somewhat less obvious is the role of recipe level of the item you are crafting in relation to your current job level. When i'm approaching that sweet spot of the craft, I pop Steady Hand first, then Great Strides and Then ingenuity. Search Database: Search our Entire Website - Blacksmith (BSM) The crafting is earned by the Blacksmith class at level . I'm ashamed to say, i couldn't understand what it does so I've never used it. Note: You need to be EXTREMELY careful here to not overshoot or undershoot progress. Each level beyond lvl 50 significantly changes your rotations for each of the old 1 star to 4 star items. /u/Sinbios described this stat in excellent detail. doxxx / ffxiv-craft-opt-web. That leaves 38/60 CP for 10 durability, which depends on your rotation. SE, you tease! Innovation was abandoned in both classes here to fit in Reclaim. FFXIV Crafting Beginnerâs Guide by majorslax This is going to be a very long read so I hope youâre ready. You're browsing the GameFAQs Message Boards as a guest. How do I use my free FF14 account on desktop PC to play on laptop PC? What's the difference between Ingenuity and Innovation. Ingenuity (II) is pretty essential in 1/2/3 star crafts, unless you want to actually figure out the how and why of crafting rotations and make your own. This means that your progress and quality skills will do more. You could also very easily get boned by the RNG god & fail too many Hasty Touches. So there is really no hard choice here, use em both! It impacts progress more than quality. With my setup, the only forbidden melds are on accessories and those are usually just a bunch of cheapo craftsmanships that weren't really necessary. If my ball is white I careful synth II knowing that I can still touch next time and get the same result or better. But with the changes being made to Ingenuity/II, Hasty Touch method may end up being more reliable than other rotations for the new recipes. If it's red or glowing....I go to town! I welcome the challenge for i90 craft with Ingenuity nerf. FFXIV Lag Spikes. I'm curious if anyone still uses Innovation as another Bait stragegy if CP permits. Why? doxxx / ffxiv-craft-opt-web. Playing on the same account on pc and ps4 simultaneously? Skip to content. I haven't done any extensive testing, though, that's just my experience from blazing like three crafters to 80 through leves since the patch. Innovation Standard Touch Great Strides Byregot's Blessing e.g. Ingenuity II - I may suffice if that's all you have, but I don't recommend it if you're serious. For 3*, each tricks of the trade you use, allows you to replace a hasty with a basic. Almost. NOTE ON 23th AUGUST 2015: Since the release of the Heavensward expansion, the tips/hints on rotations in Part 2 of the guide no longer applies. FFXIV Complete Edition, PS4 - Only $41.97! If an internal link referred you to this page, you may wish to change the link to point directly to the intended article. I thought having ingenuity and steady hand last would help whoever may actually be testing it, it will give them more steps under the context of ingenuity to finish up the craft! And Ingenuity II costs too much CP. (i'm sorry for calling you a dummy :( ), Why Ingenuity beats Innovation in nearly every way (but hell, use em both if you can). It appears ingenuity I and II do not work based off of your current job level anymore, it lowers it by a flat rate. Food: If you must, eat food to reach important CP points, or cover up where you feel youâre lacking. I can certainly see the rationale for this. One thing that my students are often surprised about is the effectiveness of Ingenuity. level 1 Dia Ania on Cactuar They used to both do slightly different things, with Innovation being strictly for progress and Ingenuity lowering the recipe level for an increase in both progress and quality abilities... "Get up!! He asks that you craft and deliver an Ash Shortbow and a Feathered Harpoon. I'm seeing a lot of rotations opening up with Comfort Zone, and while I'm only lv.50 CRP/CUL/ARM/WVR, from what I read it grants 8 CP for every step. Increases control by 50% for the next three steps. Ingenuity helps a lot more. As far as I can tell, it won't be a nerf. Those might have been swapped, and the poster meant Ingenuity II and 2 standard synthesis (62 CP + possibly an extra 22 CP) vs Ingenuity I and 3 careful synthesis (24 CP). Show me your true power!" Letâs start with the 4: Progress: [â¦] PART 1: ARR Crafting. There were certain things I wasnt sure how to handle. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Judging by the materia prices on my server, people realize that control is a pretty good thing (although keep in mind that the lion's share of your control will come from Inner Quiet). Under the context of ingenuity, i70 items were only marginally more difficult than i55 items. Could easily cap out and hit 1800 quality with only 6 hasty touches. 3. far as i know the basic setup in the "west" as you say is... hasty until 20 durability refreshing steady and comfort as needed. Synthesis (colloquially crafting) is a major gameplay feature, mechanic and term in Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn carried over from the original release. Well, there are other options you can try that can help optimize your PC, which in turn will help you to run the game better. Safer to cap out stats on accessories, throw materia on AF with little to no overmelds, then follow a 100% 2star rotation. But in all the posts i see people using only Ingenuity I, why ? Don't believe me? I realised I never put up an Ifrit guide for the level 20 story mode fight in Final Fantasy XIV.If you have read my E3 version guide, it's pretty similar to that with a four person team instead of an eight person team. ...Well, actually, I like to do it, it gives me a sense of closure after playing for a long time. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. For those that haven't seen it though, I will write it up based on the level 20 fight. for 1 star and 2 star I have the two opener macros and 2 finishers: Finisher 2: for when macro 1 ends on an excellent condition. In particular, check out this graph he made to visualize the findings: http://i.imgur.com/MBqnkjC.png. Last Update: 25 Aug 2017. non specialist rotation muscle memory comfort zone inner quiet manipulation 2 steadyhand 2 piece by piece prudent touch 4 times steady hand 2 prudent ⦠In addition, i wouldn't be surprised if the penalty to progress for items already below your level will go away, it will merely be a very diminished return (so innovation will still be better in this case). I even wrestled over whether I should put great strides later on, but settled on where it is at because it is a macro after all, no teasing out a condition:good with a macro. Since almost all these rotations don't start using CP until several steps later, isn't there some wasted CP? Careful Synthesis x 1-4. Like i get it increases quality, and I get that you are saying use ingenuity... but why not just use Ingenuity II with Byregot's? Ingenuity helps a lot more. Although my dayjob is unruly tank, I like to moonlight as a crafting coach. 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